$300 with Dies! Gold $$ Contributor. The Speer Hot Cor 180 soft point shoots lights out and velocities are over 2200 fps. $300 with dies! There isn’t a single .357 bullet in production that is actually suitable for the impact velocities you can achieve with a 350 legend. A claim based on specific ammunition choices. The 350 legend should definitely be more powerful than a 357 max. Thanks for making me this killing machine. It does take a small rifle primer. Lite recoil and is deadly. The 350 Legend is rated at a maximum average pressure of 55,000 psi. I have a MGM barrel 24" ProHunter Contour 1:14 twist which allows me to shoot 180 grain bullets and above extremely well. It includes .357 magnum, .357 maximum and now .350 legend. I doubt that you will find any … The 357 Max got a lot of undeserved bad press from armchair "type-peckers" back in the day. someguy2800 Member. By the time the bullet gets to the end of a 20-­inch barrel, the volume … Heavy Metal here: https://bit.ly/30wF6wWTruly appreciate you watching the videos!! Consequently, the .350 Legend is a legal hunting rifle cartridge there. One of the differences is that 350 Legend has official SAAMI specs as of two days ago. over the veteran .30-30 Win., yet delivers less recoil than the old deer classic. The 350 Legend is also designed to work in an AR-15 style rifle. Side note: Hornady just released a 165 ftx .355 diameter. Click to expand... A lever action 357 max would be sweet captain awesome, Jan 1, 2020 #38. I'm having the throat redone after the Michigan deer season. If they weren’t then you could end up with some pretty high pressure spikes. Overview. Comparing the .350 Legend to the .223 Rem., we see both having a maximum chamber pressure of 55,000 pounds per square inch (psi) and both using about 21 grains of powder. They kill just as well but don't exit. It was, and is, a very useful design, especially to an experienced shooter/hand loader. There is already a better straight-walled caliber that does everything the .350 Legend can do, and more, because rifles chambered in this other caliber can also fire .357 Magnum and .38 Special! (The case length for 223 is 1.760″.) I can't speak to the 350 legend's accuracy but my 357 maximum is no slouch in the accuracy department shooting MOA from a 13" contender, so I wouldn't say that either is more accurate than the other. The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. Plus, manufacturing tolerances for bullet diameter are much tighter than +/- 0.008” (8 thousandths). Not a single one. Share your pics, info, and comments with others! It is a straight-walled .357 caliber AR-15 cartridge based on a new case with an ever so slightly thicker body than the .223 Remington but with a rim rebated to .378″ to fit the standard AR-15 bolts. Some have even put together rifles that would shoot the 357 magnum round. Dennis completes his first test comparing the 444 Marlin and the 357 Rem Max. At reasonable straight-wall cartridge hunting distances, for both velocity and trajectory, there is no real out-and-out winner between .450 Bushmaster vs .350 Legend. Joined: Sep 30, 2005 Messages: 16,577. 16″ 22 Reeds Express: $150. Reactions: GotRDid and Gb300wm. The 350 Legend case is only about a tenth of an inch longer than the .357 Maximum and just .12-inch longer than the .357 Mag. Joined: Sep 16, 2015 Messages: 5,588 Location: Minnesota. Winchester Ammunition and also the rifle company have unveiled a joint project: the .350 Legend. I would love to have a single shot in 357 max, and I may end up building one, but as Someguy2800 said, the 350 legend or the 357maxAR have more likely market today due to available use in ar rifles and bolt guns. Bullet Diameter: .357 inches (All 350 Legend) Shell Case Length: 1.71 inches (All 350 Legend) Bullet Size: 180 grain; Muzzle Velocity: 2,100 fps; Muzzle Energy: 1,762 foot-pounds ; Velocity (200 yards): 1,466 fps; Energy (200 yards): 859 foot-pounds; 350 Legend vs Other Straight-Wall Cartridges. It performed just as you said it would. 16″ 7ARF This is a 7TCU with Fireball or BO case. Examples of the Winchester XPR rifle and .350 Legend ammo were available for members of the media to shoot during SHOT range day. The moniker “.357 Max AR” stuck with the round for 3 reasons, 1) it was a 5.56 case expanded to straightwall, maximizing its capacity, 2) it uses load data very similar to the 357 Maximum rimmed revolver cartridge, and 3) the “Max-AR,” Auto Rimless, was really only meant for use in AR-15’s, so the AR suffix stuck in minds. I would like a 350 legend in an AR platform, but don't know why. Bfh_auto and Meeks36 like this. Ohio's Deer Hunting Regulations allow the use of a straight-walled rifle cartridge with a minimum caliber of .357 inches (9.1 mm). Its substantially longer and a larger diameter case giving it about a 3 gain case capacity advantage. This is what happens when you push that bullet to 1990 fps muzzle velocity. Try it you won't regret it. Most of them were little more than very accomplished "bull-shooters." jmorris Member. mcb, Sep 23, 2019 #11. You’re not the first to think about it. Some Reloaders have even reported ability to use .358” rifle bullets like the 180 Speer HotCor. It’s called the .357 Remington Maximum, a SAAMI-approved cartridge designed in 1983 by Remington & Ruger. The main issue with the 350 is the throat. The 350 minimum cartridge overall length is 2.125″ and the maximum is 2.260″. The 450 was more established, being around longer, and didn't want a fad cartridge that comes and goes kinda like the 223 wssm, 243wssm, which can be a nightmare on reloaders due to brass … The only ones that exit are 158JSP and 180gr anything.. The rimless versions work in modern magazine designs better than rimmed stuff, and end up costing less to steal someone else's magazine design. A lot like the .357 Maximum you could say. I decided against the 350 because their are not alot of bullets in the 355 or 357 range capable of withstanding those velocities, maybe some designed for the 357 magnum but few and far between. We've also used the 140FTX LE to kill a couple, and they behave like the 158 HP's. It will be offered in the Winchester XPR line and presumably AR rifles as well. Home; About Us; Services; Gallery; Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Newsletter; Contact Us; Gallery.357 Remington Maximum in action. (** Velocity based on a 16” Test Barrel) * Refer to ANSI/SAAMI Z299.4 for pressure guideline interpretation description. 20″ 250 SS (savage short) this was the prototype to our 257 ARS and uses 762×39 brass. OPTIONAL MIN. (The minimum for 223 is 2.165″, and the maximum is 2.260″.) Great efficient, low recoil, easy 7mm AR build. 357 max doesn't do anything for me unless it's in a lever action. Winchester’s new 350 Legend cartridge is a .223 case blown out to have straight walls, making it a perfectly viable choice for those states which require the use of a straight-walled rifle cartridge for deer hunting, and boasts an energy advantage of 120 ft.-lbs. Using the same case head diameter of the .223 Remington at a length of 1.71-inch, the 350 Legend uses a .357-inch diameter bullet, for a combination that is very easy on the shoulder while being effective downrange. Presently, the .350 Legend, .450 Bushmaster, and .50 Beowulf are the only short (1.8 inches or shorter) commercial straight wall rifle cartridges, so are of prime interest to those who hunt in the jurisdictions noted above, plus anyone who may be interested in hunting with an AR-15 rifle chambered in a medium or large bore cartridge. Headquarters for everything .357 Remington Maximum. Send an email to tim@thearguy.com. With the .355 bore there are reports that some states requiring a .357 bore are stating that the 350 Legend does not meet the minimum caliber requirements. The 350 Legend is not .357 caliber; I think the claim that the 350 Legend has more energy and penetrates better than the .243 Winchester is mostly bogus as well. .357 Maximum is an incredible round out to 200yds(but just limited to single shots), but even the .357 Mag out of a lever gun with heavy bullets, is pretty good inside 100yds with less recoil than the gun weighs. Nov 9, 2019 #3 I love the 150gr raptors. Enter the 350 Legend. 350 LEGEND Maximum Average Pressure (MAP)* = 55,000 psi Instrumental Velocity**: 145-gr @ 2,250 fps Crusher pressures not established. 350 Legend SBR - How I'm loading It - Testing NOE 183 GC "Taco's" ... Colt 601: The AR-15 Becomes a Military Rifle - Duration: 22:52. DO NOT SCALE FROM DRAWING 6 GROOVES.100+.002 [2.54+0.05] WIDE TWIST: 16.00 [406.4] R.H. The case mouth, labeled C in the image above, measures .3780″, and the case length is 1.710″. The .357 Maximum has a SAAMI pressure of 40,000 compared to the .357 Magnum’s 35,000 … In 357 max 24" Douglas premium barrel 1in16 twist shoots 180 pointed flat point over 4227 with CCI 450 primer .7 inches at 100 don't have to worry about resale I'll keep this one. It is a straight walled .358” cartridge, based off the blown out .223 case. Second, I wonder if this is a .223 case that was never necked down. Others have solved the magazine issue without any additional … sawcarver. Calibers we chamber:.224 cal twist rates from 1:7 – 1:14. It’s the hot ticket in town this year, and new rifle and ammo introductions are happening pretty fast. 357 AR-MAX and 350 Legend would nicely fill a similar niche as a 357 Mag AR with a bit more power. SAAMI spec for the .350 legend is 0.357”-0.003”, which is a unique specification. The closest one will probably be the 180 xtp which is popular in 357 max. The youngest of three cartridges is Winchester’s .350 Legend that was introduced at SHOT Show 2019. Forgotten Weapons Recommended for … Doug444, rodinal220, adcoch1 and 2 others like this. BORE & GROOVE … The .350 Legend is based on a … .350 Legend vs .450 Bushmaster Ballistics. The 350 Legend will be used primarily in states that do not allow typical rifle cartridges but … I'd kill for a 160 partition in a .357 diameter. First, I wonder just how different this is than the 357 Max AR rounds guys have been making for a few years now. I hate to say it, but the … 10″ 350 Legend: $150. CMMG announced the first AR-15 (in their Resolute line) chambered for the .350 Legend, Ruger is introducing rifles in the caliber and Winchester Repeating Arms has announced a new Model XPR Compact bolt action in .350 Legend. captain awesome said: ↑ A lever … Winchester didn't make it to match the 357 max, which leads to resizing bullets down to 356. Fortunately I do not … Plus all of the larger straight wall handgun calibers that meet the minimum case length requirement, of course. Five 350 Legend loads were announced at the cartridge’s SHOT Show 2019 launch, three of which were in production and available on store shelves as of mid-June: (l. to r.) a 145-gr. There seem to have been some poor reamers getting around, under-sized, but properly chambered rifles will happily the .357” revolver bullets the Legend was designed to use. Ps should've gone with 26" would be better. 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